Harvester EREV analysis & predictions: 3 cylinder gasoline engine, HP output, EV battery pack size, fuel tank location, approach departure angle

[BahamaTodd]

I read that BMW reduced the size of the range extender fuel tank on the i3 in the US (vs Europe) because if the gas range exceeds the all electric range, it gets reclassified as a PHEV. I don't have a source, so take with a grain of salt

The BMW i3 was a good example of an undersized range extender. It could only maintain 60mph once the battery died. You were screwed if you had to drive hilly terrain.

 

[Chuckles]

Small nitpick, but is anyone else bothered with the fuel door for the Harvester on the passenger fender? I don't want to drag the gas pump hose across the hood and be concerned if I pulled close enough. Also don't want to be That Guy who messes with the flow of the gas station traffic by pulling into the gas pump contrary to the majority of customers. It's all FUBAR.

Every gas station I go to has hoses on both sides of the pumps. It's as simple as pulling up to a pump on the same side as the filler door. Where's the problem?

 

[Beach_Bum]

Every gas station I go to has hoses on both sides of the pumps. It's as simple as pulling up to a pump on the same side as the filler door. Where's the problem?

It disrupts the normal traffic flow at the station. Y'all ain't ever been to a Bucee's apparently. People lined up waiting to fill up next when along comes one of you folks that disrupts the normal flow.

I don't see the problem in Scout moving the filler door and the associated line. They want to claim to be an American company resurrecting an American brand. Then they go ahead and do something goofy like this.

 

[SentinelOne]

I vote diesel, an infrequently used range extender with sitting ethanol gas in it isn't key to reliability...can be overcome but usage frequency / ethanol wont help - diesel less of an issue unless then need to add cat pee system for emissions.

Or if the battery is small and need to rely on range extender more frequently then I suppose it'll use more fuel / more frequent running will help reliability - but I personally only want the engine running on long trips / towing, etc

 

[Scooby24]

It disrupts the normal traffic flow at the station. Y'all ain't ever been to a Bucee's apparently. People lined up waiting to fill up next when along comes one of you folks that disrupts the normal flow.

I don't see the problem in Scout moving the filler door and the associated line. They want to claim to be an American company resurrecting an American brand. Then they go ahead and do something goofy like this.

You only ever seen American vehicles at Bucee's?

 

[GarageMahal]

It disrupts the normal traffic flow at the station. Y'all ain't ever been to a Bucee's apparently. People lined up waiting to fill up next when along comes one of you folks that disrupts the normal flow.

I don't see the problem in Scout moving the filler door and the associated line. They want to claim to be an American company resurrecting an American brand. Then they go ahead and do something goofy like this.

A line to get gas? Where do you live, the 70s?

But seriously, I have waited to get gas less than a handfull of times in 40 plus years of driving. And I also never have trouble pulling the hose to the far side to fill up when needed.

Besides who cares about gas anymore? The charging port location is much more important.

 

[KarlT]

Small nuclear reactor? Then no fuel door issues.

 

[4sallypat]

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Besides who cares about gas anymore? The charging port location is much more important.

100% agree - I'd be charging way more often than filling up with fuel.

My wife's PHEV rarely gets any gas fills in her small 7 gallon tank.

I'd rather see the charge port like a Tesla (driver rear) or front passenger side to not obstruct other spaces/chargers at Tesla.

I don't like it when I have to take up a space that blocks a Tesla out:

 

[Efthreeoh]

A line to get gas? Where do you live, the 70s?

But seriously, I have waited to get gas less than a handfull of times in 40 plus years of driving. And I also never have trouble pulling the hose to the far side to fill up when needed.

Besides who cares about gas anymore? The charging port location is much more important.

Back in 2021 when the east coast pipeline got hacked, a lot of fuel stations were out of gas and there were gas lines at others. Lucky for me I was driving a BMW with the right-side fuel filler. Drove right up to an unused pump because the traffic flow for all the left side vehicles couldn't use it.

 

[jfreek65]

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It disrupts the normal traffic flow at the station. Y'all ain't ever been to a Bucee's apparently. People lined up waiting to fill up next when along comes one of you folks that disrupts the normal flow.

I don't see the problem in Scout moving the filler door and the associated line. They want to claim to be an American company resurrecting an American brand. Then they go ahead and do something goofy like this.

I’ve had multiple American made vehicles with gas fillers on the passenger side, including a current Jeep Compass and my 65 Scout with saddle tanks. Companies put their fillers where it makes the most logistical sense for their design.
Stations such as Costco which force everyone to go one way have extended hoses for crossing the vehicle but I often pull in quicker with my Compass than my Grand Cherokee because fewer people use the pumps on the passenger side.

 

[cvollers]

Seems like VW has done that very thing in the past.

So has Porsche...oh wait, that's VW too.

 

[Lakesinai]

Since we are spit balling...

Ramcharger's 3.6 V6 is making 280+ hp and paired to a 130kw generator (170hp). There are losses so it wouldn't ever be a 1:1 and you also don't want your engine maxing out RPMS to generate peak power if you're at all concerned about NVH.

I don't think there's ANY way in hell they are packaging a 3 cylinder and pairing it to a 100kw generator.

The Ramcharger cut the battery in half because to get 500 miles of extended range with that 130kw generator, it needs a fairly good sized gas tank.

With the Harvester's smaller engine, smaller generator, and lesser range (by almost 200 miles) I can't hardly believe they'd cut down the battery in half to make room for a tank like they did with the Ramcharger.

Been hearing that someone at scout suggested 150 miles of EV range...that would be cutting the battery down by nearly 60% if true.

I'm very skeptical of that claim...would like to hear what was said in full context...maybe something being lost in translation.

edit: Went back and looked at this image in the reveal...I think they shared with us the location of the fuel tank. If these images can be taken at more than face value...that looks to me to be like a 25% reduction in battery pack size.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Small nitpick, but is anyone else bothered with the fuel door for the Harvester on the passenger fender? I don't want to drag the gas pump hose across the hood and be concerned if I pulled close enough. Also don't want to be That Guy who messes with the flow of the gas station traffic by pulling into the gas pump contrary to the majority of customers. It's all FUBAR.

Not as bothered as I am by my squarebody Chevy's that have a door on each side of the truck

 

[one30five]

In my mind, the best option for this is the 2.0l flat four turbo from the Cayman, like scout4wd said. Not digging into the VW group parts bin would be a mistake. They can cut millions in development costs. Don’t get me wrong, diesel could be fantastic but not worth the drawbacks.

 

[Alder25318]

Interesting take. The more I see, the more I am convinced the Harvester version will be at a minimum $3K more than the all-EV model despite the high cost of the larger battery pack. One thing to note - I don't think the battery in the ERV version will be "slightly" smaller, I think it's more likely about 1/2 the size of the EV.

The Ramcharger is priced less the the full ev. I think you underestimate the true cost of batteries.