Is Scout dead in the water? I'm not buying it at a 10-25% tariff added cost.

[NukeDukem]

we're still 2-3yrs apart, everyone take a breath. also to those all hot and bothered..... its $100 REFUNDABLE reservation. No need to lose sleep.

You’re missing the point. We want the Scout to come in at a certain price point. Getting our reservation back isn’t what’s at stake.

 

[Mr._Bill]

You’re missing the point. We want the Scout to come in at a certain price point. Getting our reservation back isn’t what’s at stake.

Expecting to be able to purchase a vehicle in two to three years at a price set today, without a written contract, is not realistic. There is so much that can happen. I didn't purchase a reservation. When they start rolling off the line, I'll decide if I want one or if I'm going to keep my Jeep.

 

[NukeDukem]

Expecting to be able to purchase a vehicle in two to three years at a price set today, without a written contract, is not realistic. There is so much that can happen. I didn't purchase a reservation. When they start rolling off the line, I'll decide if I want one or if I'm going to keep my Jeep.

All of us that DID put down a reservation have a stake in the outcome of the product (as little of a stake that it might be).

Sure, I expect things to evolve and change and the market may look a lot different then. For one thing, the US will likely be moving back to gas guzzlers and away from EVs as the administration takes away all supports and outlaws the use of NEVI for building out infrastructure.

Scout may decide to build a gas-only version which will likely meet with much wider appeal from the majority of US consumers who couldn’t care less about fuel economy or tailpipe emissions.

I really think the US market is going to change in a way that wasn’t anticipated before the elections.

 

[Deuce]

Expecting to be able to purchase a vehicle in two to three years at a price set today, without a written contract, is not realistic. There is so much that can happen. I didn't purchase a reservation. When they start rolling off the line, I'll decide if I want one or if I'm going to keep my Jeep.

Expecting it to come in at the exact price is insane, but a possible 25% difference is not.

 

[smboogie]

I think pricing is going to fluctuate with final materials/build etc., just like most cars have. Rivian, Tesla etc.,

 

[Mousehunter]

While pricing is at best looking at a crystal ball, and at worse we have plenty of history of companies promising a competitive price and then throwing that out the window when production finally starts - we can only hope that their pricing model had enough headroom to deal with price increases over the next couple years - and they actually have the intention of not doing the industry standard of bait and switch.

As for ICE. Vehicle design for ICE and EV are fairly different. Sure you can modify a design from one to another, but it involves making compromises. Those compromises cost money and performance. Tesla has it correct - focus on one and do it as well as possible. Don't make the compromise. The Harvester scares me enough already. But VW has the motor tech, and using it as a generator rather than a source of primary motive power might limit the compromises. Plus, extended range using a gas generator is apparently a great way to get people to look past range and charging anxiety. I just hope it does not cause to many detrimental compromises to the full EV - which has plagued virtually every EV by legacy companies.

 

[OlyScout]

This may not be the right thread to share my feels about the Scout, but I am as excited as I am weary about what it will offer/live up to. A lot will and is happening before Scout even rolls off the line. Understandably they need to settle on final design and drive in order to set up production. During that time and after their decision, battery tech may drastically change. R2 will be out with a Tri-motor and under 3 seconds. I say this because that price point will be an indicator of Scout’s comparable performance model. New Model Y hasn’t released its performance variant yet, though I don’t suspect it’ll be a sub 3 seconds. I know many may discount performance, but with EV you can have both and Rivian coming with a 1,000+ horsepower quad motor shows that. Ok, I’m squirreling. The price is going to be more than the R2, which is not likely to hit its $45K reveal even in a single motor base version next year. So in 2028, a decently equipped Scout is going to be over $70K. That’s a better equipped and bigger SUV (should it be called a SEV?), than the R2, not even comparable to the Model Y, and still cheaper than R1, Gravity, and the GMC Hummer and truck EVs. I am ok spending $75K on the Traveler as the prototype is equipped with rack and light bar and 35”, but they need to figure out this drivetrain/range thing. 350 mile EV only will be weak in 2028, and a 150 mile EV with generator assist to get 500 (if that’s right about the smaller battery pack) is just a bloated plug-in hybrid that’ll either kick in the generator often under load or be a maintenance requirement or liability if barely used. Our plug-in Volvo has given us warning light about bad gas because it sits for months.

I don’t know what the perfect balance is but really wish it was 350 EV + generator because that is better competition than a 150 mile anything.

 

[Timmdodge60]

This may not be the right thread to share my feels about the Scout, but I am as excited as I am weary about what it will offer/live up to. A lot will and is happening before Scout even rolls off the line. Understandably they need to settle on final design and drive in order to set up production. During that time and after their decision, battery tech may drastically change. R2 will be out with a Tri-motor and under 3 seconds. I say this because that price point will be an indicator of Scout’s comparable performance model. New Model Y hasn’t released its performance variant yet, though I don’t suspect it’ll be a sub 3 seconds. I know many may discount performance, but with EV you can have both and Rivian coming with a 1,000+ horsepower quad motor shows that. Ok, I’m squirreling. The price is going to be more than the R2, which is not likely to hit its $45K reveal even in a single motor base version next year. So in 2028, a decently equipped Scout is going to be over $70K. That’s a better equipped and bigger SUV (should it be called a SEV?), than the R2, not even comparable to the Model Y, and still cheaper than R1, Gravity, and the GMC Hummer and truck EVs. I am ok spending $75K on the Traveler as the prototype is equipped with rack and light bar and 35”, but they need to figure out this drivetrain/range thing. 350 mile EV only will be weak in 2028, and a 150 mile EV with generator assist to get 500 (if that’s right about the smaller battery pack) is just a bloated plug-in hybrid that’ll either kick in the generator often under load or be a maintenance requirement or liability if barely used. Our plug-in Volvo has given us warning light about bad gas because it sits for months.

I don’t know what the perfect balance is but really wish it was 350 EV + generator because that is better competition than a 150 mile anything.

I get it. Unfortunately, there has to be a trade off between BEV and EREV models if the chassis is going to be the same configuration and size. If the EREV battery size could get 350 miles of battery only range, that means there won't be any space for the gas tank. Maybe the 150 battery range could be increased some if the gasoline capacity is reduced, but it won’t be 350 miles.

 

[OlyScout]

I get it. Unfortunately, there has to be a trade off between BEV and EREV models if the chassis is going to be the same configuration and size. If the EREV battery size could get 350 miles of battery only range, that means there won't be any space for the gas tank. Maybe the 150 battery range could be increased some if the gasoline capacity is reduced, but it won’t be 350 miles.

You’re right and like other electronics, we’ll always be chasing technology. Wish solid state or something amazing like what BYD has up their sleeves was out there now and able to be incorporated into the final build. But I rarely go 150 miles or more in my general use with my current EV so the 150 (probably more like 90 miles realistically) should be enough.

 

[Roger 123]

Why do we/ they think the Scout will be priced below the Rivian? Cheapest Rivian R1S on the site is $77,900. I've not looked at really what they offer but it's a full size EV SUV, wouldn't it be a pretty close competitor?

Or is the R2 the competitor starting at $45K?

 

[OlyScout]

Why do we/ they think the Scout will be priced below the Rivian? Cheapest Rivian R1S on the site is $77,900. I've not looked at really what they offer but it's a full size EV SUV, wouldn't it be a pretty close competitor?

Or is the R2 the competitor starting at $45K?

I was basing it more on price points. R2 is smaller than Scout, but may have some similarity in range and power. R1 is three row and larger, I assume, also has pricing above $100K for top trims. Personally, I’m looking at top trims and rarely do people buy bare bones.

 

[LoneWolfo6]

Scout initially said they were trying to come in well under $60k and then there were tax incentives planned on top. This seemed extremely reasonable to me and I put my deposit down. Tariffs are now a reality, and with a hostile administration on EV's, there's just no way in a couple years time when the Scout is ready that they'll hit their expected price. Is anyone still going to buy it at $70-75k for the base model?

Or even worse, forbid they possibly go in the same direction as Canoo did. Too much time…never enough support and money.

Or even worse than that, keep moving forward like Tesla and offer a $69,990 EV only to release at $119,990

 

[SrfnFly227]

Why do we/ they think the Scout will be priced below the Rivian? Cheapest Rivian R1S on the site is $77,900. I've not looked at really what they offer but it's a full size EV SUV, wouldn't it be a pretty close competitor?

Or is the R2 the competitor starting at $45K?

I believe the Scout will be priced closer to the R1 than the R2. There is no way the vehicle they've been showing off is priced under $80K. A bare bones version may be found around $60k, but I don't see a lot of people going for that version.

Lots of people are going to be pretty disappointed once final pricing is announced.

 

[timmyhil]

And Scout is probably also factoring in

I believe the Scout will be priced closer to the R1 than the R2. There is no way the vehicle they've been showing off is priced under $80K. A bare bones version may be found around $60k, but I don't see a lot of people going for that version.

Lots of people are going to be pretty disappointed once final pricing is announced.

The vehicle being showed off from what i was told by Jamie at Scout costed them a few million of dollars. And it’s estimated by people who were at the reveal event that around 70-80k will probably be about top spec.

 

[Hedrock]

I believe the Scout will be priced closer to the R1 than the R2. There is no way the vehicle they've been showing off is priced under $80K. A bare bones version may be found around $60k, but I don't see a lot of people going for that version.

Lots of people are going to be pretty disappointed once final pricing is announced.

I fully expect traveler Harvester + Offroad to come in at a minimum of 70k…which, yeah, is gonna be a no go for me (unless there’s somehow 10k of rebates like they’re implying).

We can afford it but…at that price I’ll just buy a used Braptor.