EREV battery capacity deploying 6x faster than BEVs. Implications for Harvester?

[timmyhil]

https://www.adamasintel.com/global-...s-growing-six-times-faster-than-that-of-bevs/

Maybe more than the projected 150miles for the Harvester.

 

[Timmdodge60]

https://www.adamasintel.com/global-...s-growing-six-times-faster-than-that-of-bevs/

Maybe more than the projected 150miles for the Harvester.

I think it will depend on how much space the gasoline tank requires and how much space is left for the battery.

 

[MC242x]

Simply put, people want more all-electric range so manufacturers are putting larger batteries in them. I don't see how this affects the Scout one way or the other.

 

[chillaxed]

To keep adding a larger battery does not seem elegant to me. I’m all for the generator. Hoping I can use the car just like an ice car. I had a Chevy Volt and once the novelty of charging wore off after two months, I just put gas in it and never plugged it in for the remainder of ownership.

I hope the generator can keep up with the demands of the car and there are no compromises.

 

[MC242x]

To keep adding a larger battery does not seem elegant to me. I’m all for the generator. Hoping I can use the car just like an ice car. I had a Chevy Volt and once the novelty of charging wore off after two months, I just put gas in it and never plugged it in for the remainder of ownership.

I hope the generator can keep up with the demands of the car and there are no compromises.

Glad we have options, I'm the opposite actually. All I want is the all-electric version and for it to have 300 miles or so of honest-to-god highway/cold weather range. I have zero interest in the Harvester if I can get that.

 

[timmyhil]

Honestly 150 full EV is enough in my book. Rest Harvester

 

[AKVET]

Just need the battery to give its 350 range as a solid number and the Harvester to give its 150 range or more depending on tank size. Big point will be how fast does the Harvester charge the battery back in its use and for how long can you do that with tank sizes and charge speeds, driving and parked.
Can’t wait I ordered both with the Harvester. Wanted the Traveler and Terra but selected the Traveler first then my wife said she is taking it from me. So I had to reserve the Terra too lol. Guess it all works out in the end

 

[AKVET]

I understand many don’t need the range in the thread and I respect it. For us who do this is a great way to bridge the gap and give us all benefit for electric vehicles with no range worries if you are away from chargers for a week and using the veh.
Example is hunting in Alaska you drive 300 miles and there is no charger by the location closest one is 150 miles before your camp site. Then you have your veh there and are there for a week driving to road hunt at times and warm up or use the vehicle. Power for recharging like the Harvester makes all the difference to get out the be safe and get back home.
Even if they did have 500 Mike all electric it wouldn’t work in my scenario and that’s why scout is awesome with this feature and benefit for its customer base. That’s what sold me, plus my Dad recently passed and we had a Scout II and took it hunting when I was young and loved it. It took a beating and would go just about anywhere. So I’m sure he would be thrilled if he could ride in one when they are produced.

 

[smboogie]

The issue with 'just adding more batteries' is all the unintended consequences. Heavier vehicles go through tires, tie rod ends, bushings, etc and cause more wear and tear on roadways. I have read there are some higher capacity batteries in development with minimal weight gains so the ability to switch batteries technology would be a big plus.
For me, having a Model Y and experienced long trips (all in California) the amount of total charging time was a bit of a pain. Many times charging was needed, not because of charge level, but because of charger availability. Personally I don't want to have a full EV household as my families cabin is in an area w/little charging options (basically none) so the Harvester option is very interesting and would eliminate the range concerns especially when stuck in cold weather traffic.

I can't wait to see where the battery range lands closer to launch, it seems battery range is just growing with technology updates and software optimization.

 

[timmyhil]

I understand many don’t need the range in the thread and I respect it. For us who do this is a great way to bridge the gap and give us all benefit for electric vehicles with no range worries if you are away from chargers for a week and using the veh.
Example is hunting in Alaska you drive 300 miles and there is no charger by the location closest one is 150 miles before your camp site. Then you have your veh there and are there for a week driving to road hunt at times and warm up or use the vehicle. Power for recharging like the Harvester makes all the difference to get out the be safe and get back home.
Even if they did have 500 Mike all electric it wouldn’t work in my scenario and that’s why scout is awesome with this feature and benefit for its customer base. That’s what sold me, plus my Dad recently passed and we had a Scout II and took it hunting when I was young and loved it. It took a beating and would go just about anywhere. So I’m sure he would be thrilled if he could ride in one when they are produced.

Your points are correct!!

yet you’ll have people attacking you saying that there are no trails that long eventually. From people who have never been off-roading, hunting, fishing.

My use is mainly for fishing and then it’s also gonna be the daily driver for work commute.

 

[Lakesinai]

Simply put, people want more all-electric range so manufacturers are putting larger batteries in them. I don't see how this affects the Scout one way or the other.

The Range Extender WILL reduce battery size. The unknown is how much. And how much will be enough to make having both a battery vehicle and a range extender enough for the consumer. If there's 250 Mi of battery range with a range extender that's probably adequate for me. However if there's a hundred miles of battery range left with the range extender I'll probably not buy the vehicle at all

 

[JesseS]

Just need the battery to give its 350 range as a solid number and the Harvester to give its 150 range or more depending on tank size. Big point will be how fast does the Harvester charge the battery back in its use and for how long can you do that with tank sizes and charge speeds, driving and parked.
Can’t wait I ordered both with the Harvester. Wanted the Traveler and Terra but selected the Traveler first then my wife said she is taking it from me. So I had to reserve the Terra too lol. Guess it all works out in the end

I think you have that backwards, I believe it's 150 miles EV and 350 with the harvester unless I am missing something.

 

[timmyhil]

I think you have that backwards, I believe it's 150 miles EV and 350 with the harvester unless I am missing something.

CLARIFICATION!
150 Miles Battery powered, 350 Miles Harvester
CLARIFICATION!


Thank you for bringing it up Jesse

 

[Lakesinai]

I think you have that backwards, I believe it's 150 miles EV and 350 with the harvester unless I am missing something.

NO! The Harvester vehicle has a 500 mile Range, but the battery capacity is smaller because the harvester takes up battery space. The harvester will kick in when battery capacity reaches 100 or 150mi, using gas.

A non-harvester vehicle has the full size 350 mile battery, and it's range is 350 miles before charging.

So the Harvester vehicle can go further using both battery and engine. However, the electric battery range of the Harvester vehicle is an estimated 150 miles, meaning it's EV-only capacity is compromised by the presence of the Harvester Range Extender.

Compromises! The problem is, right now, the exact range numbers are unknown, meaning we're all guessing the relative merits of the Range Extender. It's presence means that, with less battery capacity, it will use more gas, because it will come on more.

It is also unknown whether Scout will find a way to fit more battery in the truck than the SUV. And keep in mind, batteries are expensive.