Jay Leno drives Scout Hybrid Harvester - Towing Capacity, Gas Fuel Tank Capacity, More Specs Revealed

[Hedrock]

I think they over indexed on the harvester. I just wanted an high performing EV truck that allowed me to fuel up occasionally when towing. A 15 gallon tank and hundreds of miles of gas range is overkill and came at the cost of EV performance (towing, range, acceleration). 3-5 gallon tank would have been more appropriate as backup only system and that space could have been used for batteries.

No one really needs more than 300 miles of EV range for a road trip. Towing was Really what the harvester was supposed to solve For. At 5k lbs it will no longer appeal to those that tow.

still a cool EV, but unless something changes with the harvester (same 0-60, 10k lbs of towing, and 200+ miles EV only range) I’ll stick with Rivian.

I mean, I spend a month per year on the road driving 600-1200 miles a day (up to about 17 hours, and Nebraska through western Nevada really flies) but I’m an exception.

Keogh talked about this in his interview with inEVitable podcast. “Nobody really needs 300+ mile range” is true, but consumers buy waaaay more than they need constantly. Just look at truck sales - 90% of half ton owners don’t ever tow, and 70% of the remainder tow 2x a year and would be better served with a Home Depot rental.

Harvester is supposed to solve the range anxiety and 2x/year edge cases, which for sure aren’t *necessary* for buyers, but heavily influence their buying behavior.

Maybe Scout is misjudging consumers, but I don’t think so.

 

[Dive Bar Casanova]

350 Miles range means 280, 450 miles range means 390 and so forth.

Like when that $100 tire costs $175.

 

[hozer]

Even a 20K increase would justify 10K payload and a 0-60 more in line with what is expected (around 3 seconds is getting typical in the EV industry at this price point).

This is the kind of advice I hope they ignore.

Go buy the things that do that well or an EV hummer. Don't muddy the scout design for people buying a stat sheet.

I promise the only people that heard "Scout revival" and thought "boy i hope it has a 3 second 60 and 10k lbs payload" have accounts here lol.

 

[Dive Bar Casanova]

We ain't buying a $100.000 daily driver.

Mid $70K is stretching it as it is but we can do that.
A 0-60 in 3.5 sec, grocery-getting, grandchild and dog hauler with 4WD and diff lockers brought us into the congregation.

 

[NukeDukem]

I’ll never tow anything. No toys here and when I need to haul something, I’ll rent a van from Home Depot.

I originally signed up thinking the Harvester would just add to the 300+ mile base battery range. Have been sadly brought back to reality over the many months on here.

The Traveler, although cool, is not so exciting as I had originally hoped. I’m still keeping both reservations but I’m likely going to drop the Harvester and will make a decision on the BEV in three years.

 

[Dive Bar Casanova]

I’ll never tow anything. No toys here and when I need to haul something, I’ll rent a van from Home Depot.

I originally signed up thinking the Harvester would just add to the 300+ mile base battery range. Have been sadly brought back to reality over the many months on here.

The Traveler, although cool, is not so exciting as I had originally hoped. I’m still keeping both reservations but I’m likely going to drop the Harvester and will make a decision on the BEV in three years.

We're thinking the same. I wager the EV range will be more than we hear and that will tip it in the EV's favor.

800V architecture a big plus.

Plus I'm like the average guy my wife claims likes to go to the public chargers and plug their vehicle in.
EV Phenomena that astute Academics will be debating for millenniums.

With high insurance costs, high fuel costs, brutally high registrations we have to run fewer vehicles that have to do double, even triple duty.

Our pick up truck alone is $1400 a year registration / $1400 a year insurance, $300 to fill the tank, so less rolling stock in the garage and driveway is essential.

Plus charging it off the homes solar/Powerwall/& grid credit is a HUGE bonus.

 

[Pogeegitz]

I think they over indexed on the harvester. I just wanted an high performing EV truck that allowed me to fuel up occasionally when towing. A 15 gallon tank and hundreds of miles of gas range is overkill and came at the cost of EV performance (towing, range, acceleration). 3-5 gallon tank would have been more appropriate as backup only system and that space could have been used for batteries.

No one really needs more than 300 miles of EV range for a road trip. Towing was Really what the harvester was supposed to solve For. At 5k lbs it will no longer appeal to those that tow.

still a cool EV, but unless something changes with the harvester (same 0-60, 10k lbs of towing, and 200+ miles EV only range) I’ll stick with Rivian.

This is where I'm at as well, although I don't give a @#*$ about the 0-60 time. I'd take an EV with a 300 mile-ish range, minimum 7500lb towing, with an on-board generator to be able to put on a charge when there's no chargers available. Bonus if it can charge while driving, but not a deal breaker. I go on a lot of back country hunting/fishing trips where the closest chargers are 10's of miles away (or further). I guess there's always the option to just keep a generator in the bed like I see some F150 Lightning guys doing, but now that's wasted space. I'll continue to wait and see, but I'm guessing I'll drop the Harvester if things continue to go this direction.

 

[jesemd]

Well, one thing is for sure. Auto forums haven't changed in 20 years...

 

[NukeDukem]

We're thinking the same. I wager the EV range will be more than we hear and that will tip it in the EV's favor.

800V architecture a big plus.

Plus I'm like the average guy my wife claims likes to go to the public chargers and plug their vehicle in.
EV Phenomena that astute Academics will be debating for millenniums.

With high insurance costs, high fuel costs, brutally high registrations we have to run fewer vehicles that have to do double, even triple duty.

Our pick up truck alone is $1400 a year registration / $1400 a year insurance, $300 to fill the tank, so less rolling stock in the garage and driveway is essential.

Plus charging it off the homes solar/Powerwall/& grid credit is a HUGE bonus.

My vehicle is 800V now and it sure makes for quick charging stops.

 

[jesemd]

Right?! My 4 cylinder Maverick can tow 5000 lbs. This is super disappointing news.

Not according to Ford it cant.

 

[Dive Bar Casanova]

Well, one thing is for sure. Auto forums haven't changed in 20 years...

They can a be decent cash maker for the forums owners.
Honda S2000 and Polaris Rzr forums sure were.

 

[Pogeegitz]

Not according to Ford it cant.

OK, 4000 lbs. My point still stands - a full-size EV should be able to at least double the towing capacity of a 2.0L 4-cyl.

 

[Foobar]

No one really needs more than 300 miles of EV range for a road trip. Towing was Really what the harvester was supposed to solve For. At 5k lbs it will no longer appeal to those that tow.

still a cool EV, but unless something changes with the harvester (same 0-60, 10k lbs of towing, and 200+ miles EV only range) I’ll stick with Rivian.

We’ll put - this is exactly the situation I’m in. I don’t need more than about 300 miles of range for normal use, but I need to be able to sustain 150 miles of towing from 10% to 80% SOC. That means max towing range of around 200-250 miles to have some flexibility. Pure EV is just hitting the bottom of that with the Silverado EV work truck I believe. RAM charger likely does it easily but I haven’t seen an actual real world towing test yet. I was hoping the Terra Harvester would’ve been there as well.

I have no need of towing 5000 lbs for extended use, others may, but that is not my use case. Unless things change, this won’t work for me. I may switch to full EV Traveler instead and trade my Tesla in for that while I keep my Rivian R1T for towing duty.

 

[NukeDukem]

OK, 4000 lbs. My point still stands - a full-size EV should be able to at least double the towing capacity of a 2.0L 4-cyl.

Is this true though? I think the weight of the batteries must have an influence on the towing capacity.

 

[Pogeegitz]

Is this true though? I think the weight of the batteries must have an influence on the towing capacity.

Weight of batteries is (more or less) should be offset by the elimination of the weight of engine, transmission and fuel. Of course towing will reduce battery range, just like towing reduces gas mileage. My hunch is that towing capacity is greatly reduced because you're trying to use an anemic gas engine w/minimalist transmission as a secondary drive train rather than a a pure EV that happens to carry an on-board generator/charger.

I'll add the caveat that I'm not an automotive engineer (aero) and have done minimal research here, but to me it seems like they're over-thinking and over-spec'ing the Harvester and creating a milquetoast option that no one will really be thrilled with.

The fact that the "pure EV Terra" specs line up with this table would support my hypothesis. I'd 100% take a 200 lbs playload hit to just have a 5-gallon tank and a generator built into the truck.