Start stop button location

[TBCreative67]

Some EVs have been showcasing the ability to jump in and go without a start button, such as the VW ID.4 and GM EVs. Eventually, they will go the way of keys to start a vehicle because they're unnecessary and cost more in parts for manufacturers. Since the Traveler and Terra are still 2 years out and by then more vehicles will dispense of on/off buttons, especially EVs, why not just get rid of them now? I agree with the above comments that once don't have it, you realize how unnecessary it was. I also agree they could put a different function where that button is. "This is the way..."

 

[Goose]

*edited for button clarification”

I think the on/off button is a requirement since this is using the Rivian software stack. Clearly, most of you have not seen the abysmal vampire drain Gen 1 Rivians, and to an extent Gen2, have. People with Gen 1 Rivians are losing 1-3kWh of energy over night while the vehicle sits. Gen 2 is a bit less but I still hear about people losing .5-1kWh every 48 hours. An on/off button to force the Rivian software to sleep “could” prevent this.

I want the on/off button to be able to cycle the systems to clear any random code and retrain system memory. Most modern computers boot very quickly, there's no reason Scouts couldn't do the same.

 

[Cocoskyern]

I think the on/off button is a requirement since this is using the Rivian software stack. Clearly, most of you have not seen the abysmal vampire drain Gen 1 Rivians, and to an extent Gen2, have. People with Gen 1 Rivians are losing 1-3kW of energy over night while the vehicle sits. Gen 2 is a bit less but I still hear about people losing .5-1kW every 48 hours.

I want the on/off button to be able to cycle the systems to clear any random code and retrain system memory. Most modern computers boot very quickly, there's no reason Scouts couldn't do the same.

Rivian's don't have on/off buttons.
Is that something you've seen Rivian say they are adding?

 

[timmyhil]

Rivian's don't have on/off buttons.
Is that something you've seen Rivian say they are adding?

I think he's hinting at that Scout is preventing the vehicles from having phantom drain problems like Rivians by adding the on/off button. He's not saying that Rivian has a On/Off button.

 

[Cocoskyern]

I think he's hinting at that Scout is preventing the vehicles from having phantom drain problems like Rivians by adding the on/off button. He's not saying that Rivian has a On/Off button.

Gotcha. I don't think the on/off button is what does it. My husband's Tesla has no on/off button and the vampire drain is nonexistent.

 

[Goose]

Rivian's don't have on/off buttons.
Is that something you've seen Rivian say they are adding?

Sorry, I can see how what I wrote is confusing. You’re correct, Rivians do not have an on/off button, they also suffer from the most egregious vampire drain in the industry. The vehicles hardly ever sleep, instead they phone home to the Rivian mothership. An on/off button could mitigate that.

*time of reply edit* your husbands Tesla has the advantage of massive development timeline. Scout, Rivian, etc are new brands that do not have the same experience.

Plus, Scout is using Rivian wiring and Rivian software, not Tesla.

 

[timmyhil]

Gotcha. I don't think the on/off button is what does it. My husband's Tesla has no on/off button and the vampire drain is nonexistent.

There’s something in Rivians OS that does it, its strange. It has everything to do with that Rivian software keeps all temperature sensors and battery conditioning on even while parked which drains the battery. Which is most likely while Scout is doing a On/Off is to keep battery draining on the Low.

tesla software is really refined for “sleep”. Lets think of Rivians “Sleep” like leaving a computer on sleep mode it drains a certain percentage while on Sleep.

 

[RMK!]

Nope its a standard, both models. It’s cheaper to make one mold than two. Also helps reduce costs by having shared parts.

"The best part is no part" - Sandy Munro

 

[timmyhil]

"The best part is no part" - Sandy Munro

Your profile picture, strange questions but is that a parson Russell or a Jack Russell?

 

[Action-Jackson1]

I understand where you’re coming from, but with the car being electric even with the “on/off” button the car is technically still on all the time, just a low power mode. For electric vehicles (EVs), an on/off button isn't necessary because they operate differently from traditional cars. Unlike gas cars, EVs have electric motors that can start instantly without the need for an engine to warm up, so they're always in a ready state. When you "turn off" an EV, it actually goes into a low-power mode, conserving energy while still allowing for quick reactivation of systems like the battery management for safety and efficiency. This design reduces wear on components and saves energy, as there's no need to cycle power like you would with an internal combustion engine. Essentially, EVs are built for instant readiness and efficiency, making an on/off switch more about user interface than actual functionality.
I think it just adds clunkiness to the steering wheel when ultimately it’s not necessary.

I’m with you!!! I have a Nissan Leaf, Rivian R1T and Tesla Model Y. Anything with a physical key or a “power on” button feels so stupid. Even the Nissan Leaf feels prehistoric with a stupid button. I’m in a car… what would I like to do. DRIVE! Lol.
We went on vacation and had a rental with a non-walk-up unlock, a power button and even my wife who hates technology said, “Why is this thing so dumb! I walk up to my car and nothing. I have to push a button on a “key” that doesn’t even have a physical key. Then get in the car and put the key away in my purse. Then push a button to do the one thing you do in a car… Drive!!!!!” Yeah I married her for her humor.
Buttons and keys are not all you think they are people, they’re just annoying once you ‘learn’ a new way of doing things. You’ll never look backwards!

 

[Action-Jackson1]

As on what was said in Out of Spec Reviews CES UX Tour. Scout is coding it UX operating system to be tailored to Scout not Rivian or VW. Which Community UX software and the Scout is built to work with The Zonal Architecture not copy exactly what Rivian has.

It’s a Scout not a Rivian thats why they can have a Start Stop.

Just to clarify… you do know that Rivian R1 T&S 2.0 (read that as 2025 update) and the Cybertruck pioneered Zonal Architecture? That’s why VW is investing billions $$$ into Rivian. They couldn’t make a decent UX if their life depended on it and it REALLY IS depending on it. Thank you VW for finally doing something right for a change and giving us the Scout’s. Just don’t mess it up like you’ve done to other brands and especially your own!!!

 

[timmyhil]

Just to clarify… you do know that Rivian R1 T&S 2.0 (read that as 2025 update) and the Cybertruck pioneered Zonal Architecture? That’s why VW is investing billions $$$ into Rivian. They couldn’t make a decent UX if their life depended on it and it REALLY IS depending on it. Thank you VW for finally doing something right for a change and giving us the Scout’s. Just don’t mess it up like you’ve done to other brands and especially your own!!!

Yeah I know. Ive been following Scout since 2021

 

[dleepnw]

i can see the argument either way for having the start button but it’s likely not going to reboot the vehicle nor will it impact vampire drain. No EV turns off completely. it’s more like its sleeping

Rivian has the issue because of engineering and software. While they have improved it some of it can’t be improved. Gen2 has different architecture and way less cables so you’d think it runs more efficiently and use less power.

and rebooting doesn’t make sense. If it reboots every time you turn it off you’d be waiting for it if you happened to try to start it again right away. That’s not a good user experience.

 

[Scout4wd]

We have vehicles without a start button, with a start button, and *gasp* with a key ('22 Tesla Model Y, '16 Ram Ecodiesel, and '73 Datsun 240z). After I drive the Tesla for a couple of days and get back in the Ram I realize how much I hate the start/stop button.

Having the button isn't too bad during the start-up procedure, but I have come to hate the comparative shut-down procedures in the Ram. In the Tesla it is so much more convenient; I just come to a complete stop, open the door and walk away. That's it. The car puts itself in Park, locks the doors, and shuts itself down. It took some getting use to it, but now I love it and it makes the Ram feel old and dated (not in the good way my 240Z does).

Scout, please do not put a start button in this truck.

 

[Multihog]

I agree with no newer vehicle completely shuts down. Anything with a fob, cloud connectivity or over the air updates is going to stay powered up to a point. In an EV low voltage monitors high voltage. The low voltage is usually in the form of a 12v battery. With an EV it is a smaller 12v battery because it is not being used to crank over a gas or diesel engine, it doesn’t need that high amp capacity for a stater. When the small 12v battery gets low it can be charged from the HV battery. The Silverado EV at work does this even with no key present and the system off. That will eventually drain the HV battery. For long term storage Chevy recommends hooking up a trickle charger to the 12v to prevent the HV battery from charging it and then draining itself.

The vampire drain on the HV battery is going to depend a lot on how often it wakes up in the background to phone home and get updates. How often it does a system check, temperature check. How often that little 12v battery needs to be charged. It is probably all going to come down how the vehicle computers are programmed. You might be able to mitigate the HV drain with a small solar panel for the 12v system while camping.