Article: Why More People Are Ordering The Hybrid Scout Harvester (EREV) Than The Electric One

[timmyhil]

Ive mentioned it once but ill have to once more…. Bad Journalism by fake car people who have zero clue about anything Automotive related.

 

[smboogie]

Hybrids and EREV's are just a distraction at this moment in time and for the next 3-5 years. Once battery and charging tech is advanced enough, it will be BEV from that point forward unless something better comes along.

You can always rent a truck to do your trips once or twice a year. That alone solves it for many people.

I can't help but think there will be a good chunk of Harvester buyers that end up with remorse.

I'd rather buy a 3/4 ton diesel truck than a RAM EREV. This is a product for the mfg, not the buyer.

I will be holding out for a solid state BEV. Whether that's a Scout (doesn't need to be at launch) or something else, remains to be seen. Will be interesting to see where the QuantumScape batteries go among the VAG vehicles.

I'm not saying Hybrids/EREV's are bad, just that there are trade offs .

I don't think the battery technology is the trade of, it's the charging infrastructure and time spent. For most driving needs EV's satisfy it with current range of around 300 miles, heck my Audi S5 barely gets over 200 miles a tank (that could be driving style ). The convenience of the charging infrastructure & time requirements are where the core trade offs are, at the moment.

I think It will take quite a while for the charging infrastructure to even approach what the gas infrastructure has. This includes locations, availability, speed and connection type. Getting all the cars to a common plug would be a good first step as well as a standard for charge speed.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

We have no confirmed evidence from Scout to base that statement on. Though I am worried it is a possibility, and it would mean I don't fulfill my reservation.

I don't need a notarized statement from Scout to know that EV trucks drop 40% of their range, minimum, when towing.

Scout has already stated the range extender, is an extender, it can slow the depletion, it cannot charge faster than depletion. And that's unloaded.

They have also stated the EREV has a smaller pack, and the Harvester will extend it past the standard pack.

So, you will still be in a parking lot running the Harvester waiting for it to charge.

The only thing on the horizon with EV driving characteristics and infinite range, is the Ramcharger.

 

[smboogie]

The Dodge Ramcharger looks interesting, though it has a small battery at 92-KWh but have a V6 generator is a great backup. The only big issue, for me, is it's a Stellantis product and they are just not good, in almost any way. Build quality, reliability, etc., The Ramcharger is looking really interesting with their 'targeted' ranges and power, will have to wait and see what is actually delivered and tested.

 

[sckinton]

I thought it was because people still want an internal combustion engine to maintain, breakdown and increase the technological footprint of their vehicle?

 

[jefrank]

Simp

Why More People Are Ordering The Hybrid Scout Than The Electric One

If 2024 was the “Year of the Hybrid,” then I think it’s fair to say that the next ten years in the United States will be the “Decade of the EREV.”

https://www.theautopian.com/why-more-people-are-ordering-the-hybrid-scout-than-the-electric-one/

No one is ordering anything, first of all, but that aside... I reserved the Harvester because my wife isn't ready to go full EV... it's just not going to be a good match for a bit. I'm fine with my Lightning, but she's not ready for the full-on transition for her vehicle and it will make taking it on road trips easier... and less argumentative.

 

[M3_R2]

I don't think the battery technology is the trade of, it's the charging infrastructure and time spent. For most driving needs EV's satisfy it with current range of around 300 miles, heck my Audi S5 barely gets over 200 miles a tank (that could be driving style ). The convenience of the charging infrastructure & time requirements are where the core trade offs are, at the moment.

I think It will take quite a while for the charging infrastructure to even approach what the gas infrastructure has. This includes locations, availability, speed and connection type. Getting all the cars to a common plug would be a good first step as well as a standard for charge speed.

Yes, I wasn't clear by stating "charging tech" but I meant to imply infrastructure, as well as the tech advancements and standardizations that will occur.

For today and the near future, Hybrid/AREV is entirely valid for some, no question. In 5 years and certainly in 10, I can't see how a robust infrastructure of advanced chargers and solid state battery BEV's won't be able to meet pretty much everyone's needs.

Or just put inductive charging on as many roadways as possible but I think that's going to be a tad cost prohibitive.

Exciting times ahead and will be fun to watch it all evolve.

 

[bakdraft21]

they should build a all gas truck as well, let the people decide

 

[jefrank]

they should build a all gas truck as well, let the people decide

if "the people" want a gas truck, they have lots of options already. Scout has made the business decision to be an EV company and "the people" can buy from them or not.

 

[bakdraft21]

if "the people" want a gas truck, they have lots of options already. Scout has made the business decision to be an EV company and "the people" can buy from them or not.

no SH*t ,was just wishing

 

[joewilk45]

they should build a all gas truck as well, let the people decide

 

[joewilk45]

I think Scout has a great vision and for some it maybe to advanced and that s why we all have options to where we spend our money. Choice is a great luxury

 

[colinnwn]

I don't need a notarized statement from Scout to know that EV trucks drop 40% of their range, minimum, when towing.

Scout has already stated the range extender, is an extender, it can slow the depletion, it cannot charge faster than depletion. And that's unloaded.

They have also stated the EREV has a smaller pack, and the Harvester will extend it past the standard pack.

So, you will still be in a parking lot running the Harvester waiting for it to charge.

The only thing on the horizon with EV driving characteristics and infinite range, is the Ramcharger.

40% is about the minimum reduction in range towing, it can be closer to 60% depending on the frontal area of the trailer.

"Scout has already stated the range extender, is an extender, it can slow the depletion, it cannot charge faster than depletion. And that's unloaded."

By marketing they have defined it as a range extender. But that has no generally accepted meaning other than it can't drive the vehicle directly, it's only a generator.

Of all the articles and vlogs I've read and watched on the introduction, I have never seen a Scout representative be quoted saying the rest of what you allege. There are a range of options on how powerful they could make the range extender.

I fully admit what you say is a possibility.

It could be so weak that after 500 miles it can't maintain 50 mph unloaded on flat ground without charging like the BMW i3. That would make the Harvester totally pointless.

On the other end of the spectrum they could make it as powerful as the Ramcharger able to sustain towing 10k lbs as long as you get gas. Based on the location of the Harvester and the restrictions it imposes I think this is close to impossible.

But until we get more specific specs from a Scout representative, we don't have enough information to make firm capability predictions.

 

[fuhseeshuss]

They've said current estimates are 300 EV, 500 EREV 150 Electric only + 350 gas to me that seems like a perfect amount. Around town if plugged in regularly (+ my solar panels I already have) it would cost almost nothing, but then if I want to drive up to my cabin which is just over ~310 miles away and uphill to the mountains from sea level it would do it without having to stop at a charger, which is especially great when I want to bring my kayaks with me on the trailer so I don't have to unhook my trailer, then charge it, then hook it back up.

Hmm, I was hoping more for 250/250 on the EREV. 150 electric is pretty disappointing.

 

[colinnwn]

Hmm, I was hoping more for 250/250 on the EREV. 150 electric is pretty disappointing.

Batteries are very expensive, very heavy and take up a lot of space that they need to fit the Harvester. I think 100-150 miles is reasonable for my minimum expectations and trade offs.

I don't know what impact solid state batteries will have on that when they are production ready.

I'd love the full 350 mi battery pack and Harvester, especially if the Harvester ends up relatively weak. But I also wouldn't buy a $100k, 8k lb truck that was two foot longer.