4-Cylinder Harvester EREV engine confirmed by CEO Scott! + 0-60mph, range, payload, towing specs discussions

[AtomicPunk]

Well shoot! While 0-60 times are often dismissed as not important, it is a measuring stick to comparing vehicles. Scout said sub 3 second, right? Now it’s 3.5 and a second more in Harvester? Larger Rivian R1 and smaller R2 are better and already out or coming next year so even more disappointing to wait two more years for something that will be even less stellar. So what do we have left to hope for? That it’ll look like and have the quality of these prototypes? If not, then Rivian will be the Acura to this Honda, Xfinity to this Nissan, you get it.

Seriously bummed.

As the owner of a 4 sec 0-60 car, I understand how seldom you can truly utilize this level of power and quickness. Not to mention the suspension and brakes needed to safely control all of it. If Scout can produce a real world 5.5 sec 0-60 vehicle I will be MORE than satisfied. That's absolutely plenty of speed for an offroad oriented vehicle. Give me max range over more speed any day. The larger fuel tank option could be yet another game changer for Scout. So far these guys are checking all my boxes, just hope the production version delivers!

 

[dleepnw]

Keep in mind that non-LFP battery BEVs are best operated between 80-20% charge. The occasional 100% charge for roadtrips and the like when you really need the extra range is of course possible. But this means that for the Harvester version you’re really looking at more like a 90mi daily usable range. Not good.

If its cheaper chemistry and less dense, then it is likely LFP for the Harvester. It would be illogical for them to go with NMC for the Harvester since its a low range of 150 miles, people will want/need to charge it to 100% more often. Very, very unlikely its going to be NMC.

 

[dleepnw]

Keep in mind that non-LFP battery BEVs are best operated between 80-20% charge. The occasional 100% charge for roadtrips and the like when you really need the extra range is of course possible. But this means that for the Harvester version you’re really looking at more like a 90mi daily usable range. Not good.

Which is why theres no chance they're going to do NMC for the Harvester, its going to be LFP. Its cheaper, can charge to 100% daily, and its less dense so performance isn't as good which lines up to what the CEO stated. 99.9% sure it'll be LFP.

 

[dleepnw]

Yeah I’d been wondering about this too. Doesn’t track with lockers, 12” clearance (turbulence), 35s, and a much draggier undercarriage.

Plus, why go with different chemistry on the EREV battery? Seems like that would complicate supply chain more than just using the same chemistry but fewer cells. Edit: saw the post above talking about useable range and charging margins. I guess that makes sense.

If anyone here knows much about battery chemistries and costs I’d love them to chime in.

It's probably a generic statement about the highest range model having 350 miles of range. It'll have smaller wheels and street tires, probably have less clearance and maybe lighter overall. I could see it hitting 330-350 miles.

 

[Roger 123]

why not make a all gas Scout as well..

That's what I'm hoping for. I have no interest/ desire for EV stuff, not a political statement just my reality/ use case.

 

[Roger 123]

Sure. Scout can start over and re-engineer the platform. It will only delay the vehicle by a couple of years. It's a fantastic idea!

I wouldn't be surprised if they started sharpening their engineering pencils on inauguration day.

 

[Roger 123]

It's amazing how many people are not aware of several states that are banning saying they're going to ban until reality sets in the sale of Gas and diesel engine vehicles along with gas powered gardening equipment.

The latest Presidential Special order evidently overrules that and now "You can buy the car ya want."

I'm going to digress to avoid political discussion, but Calif is one of them.
We had to buy our weed eater in Las Vegas to clear brush on our property from fires.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[OlyScout]

As the owner of a 4 sec 0-60 car, I understand how seldom you can truly utilize this level of power and quickness. Not to mention the suspension and brakes needed to safely control all of it. If Scout can produce a real world 5.5 sec 0-60 vehicle I will be MORE than satisfied. That's absolutely plenty of speed for an offroad oriented vehicle. Give me max range over more speed any day. The larger fuel tank option could be yet another game changer for Scout. So far these guys are checking all my boxes, just hope the production version delivers!

Respectively, you’re wrong and I assume your 4-second car is not an EV. I have a 3.5 second SUV and pin it many times and rarely use the brakes and rely on heavy regen but more importantly, know when you can and when to do it. It’s not a pissing contest, it’s what you get used to and anything less you notice and not as satisfied. And if Rivian can do it and do off-road, that’s the bar in my opinion and especially when Scout is still 3 years out and will certainly be below average by then.

 

[blmtnc]

I very seriously doubt that the Harvester will have a turbocharged engine. There's just no plausible reason why they'd do that, and plenty of reasons why they wouldn't, starting with cost.
It will be a naturally-aspirated atkinson cycle with compression ratio as high as possible using regular gas. Both the engine and the generator will be optimized for maximum efficiency at the engine's peak bmep (usually, that's the peak torque rpm)

Agreed . Given the hints Scott dropped in the podcast, "turbo, don't need that", engine being sourced "in region" (which I'm interpreting as NAFTA vs. SC/NC/TN/GA), it needing to be SULEV20 compliant, and the cooling challenges with rear location, I think they're going to resurrect the CBPA engine used in the 20teens Jetta: 2.0L, naturally aspirated inline 4. But Atkinson vs. Otto cycle, and DOHC 16v vs. SOHC 8v. Won't need premium. All my earlier wishful thinking about the Boxer engine aside, going with this configuration I was hoping displacement would have been a little higher, 2.2 or 2.4L, to support a higher max charge rate, but cycling a 2.0 a little more often or longer is probably a better overall efficiency play than a 2.2/2.4 on a shorter duty cycle. But I think that's where we are: CBPA ver 2.0

 

[AtomicPunk]

Respectively, you’re wrong and I assume your 4-second car is not an EV. I have a 3.5 second SUV and pin it many times and rarely use the brakes and rely on heavy regen but more importantly, know when you can and when to do it. It’s not a pissing contest, it’s what you get used to and anything less you notice and not as satisfied. And if Rivian can do it and do off-road, that’s the bar in my opinion and especially when Scout is still 3 years out and will certainly be below average by then.

Respectfully, I'm not wrong. My wants and needs simply differ from yours. It's not a pissing contest at all. I would just much rather have a 600-700 total range than a 3.5 second 0-60 SUV.

 

[OlyScout]

Respectfully, I'm not wrong. My wants and needs simply differ from yours. It's not a pissing contest at all. I would just much rather have a 600-700 total range than a 3.5 second 0-60 SUV.

Then your Scout order is good for you and you will not be underwhelmed. By the way, Rivian has a tease “An image takes shape Feb. 19.” And buzz is it could be their Bronco Raptor competitor. They already secured the “R1X” moniker in 2021 and it could be their 1200 horsepower off road beast. So my buzz kill is not hearing that Scout isn’t going to make Godzilla, but that it’s already only at 4.5 seconds, 150 mile EV of paired to generator and do we even know if that battery should be charged 100% like LFP or are we already 20% less than 150 miles before we even start down the road?

My point is if another company whom you’re partnering with to build yours is able to outperform yours with a heavier model before yours is even built, that’s not a good sales tactic. But cool that it’ll have a 35” option and spare tire mount to exceed most standard garages. Lol

 

[timmyhil]

Then your Scout order is good for you and you will not be underwhelmed. By the way, Rivian has a tease “An image takes shape Feb. 19.” And buzz is it could be their Bronco Raptor competitor. They already secured the “R1X” moniker in 2021 and it could be their 1200 horsepower off road beast. So my buzz kill is not hearing that Scout isn’t going to make Godzilla, but that it’s already only at 4.5 seconds, 150 mile EV of paired to generator and do we even know if that battery should be charged 100% like LFP or are we already 20% less than 150 miles before we even start down the road?

My point is if another company whom you’re partnering with to build yours is able to outperform yours with a heavier model before yours is even built, that’s not a good sales tactic. But cool that it’ll have a 35” option and spare tire mount to exceed most standard garages. Lol

Rivian will be releasing a new Rim and California Dune Color on feb. 19 nothing special.

 

[Mr._Bill]

I can't believe they want to go down the road of designing and building their own generator using a VW (German) engine in the 'American made' Scout. This is something that should be subbed out to a company that is experienced in stuffing generators into confined spaces. It would provide owners with an existing network of Service Centers to take care of the generator, and the Scout EV Technicians would not have to be trained to do gas engine maintenance and repair.

 

[AtomicPunk]

Then your Scout order is good for you and you will not be underwhelmed. By the way, Rivian has a tease “An image takes shape Feb. 19.” And buzz is it could be their Bronco Raptor competitor. They already secured the “R1X” moniker in 2021 and it could be their 1200 horsepower off road beast. So my buzz kill is not hearing that Scout isn’t going to make Godzilla, but that it’s already only at 4.5 seconds, 150 mile EV of paired to generator and do we even know if that battery should be charged 100% like LFP or are we already 20% less than 150 miles before we even start down the road?

My point is if another company whom you’re partnering with to build yours is able to outperform yours with a heavier model before yours is even built, that’s not a good sales tactic. But cool that it’ll have a 35” option and spare tire mount to exceed most standard garages. Lol

Point taken and yes a valid one. There are also many unknowns at this point, and many that could also be a disappointment for me as well and a deal breaker. Manufacturers can seemingly say all the right things three years from production, and then the final product is ultimately just a watered down version of what many of us want.

 

[Dive Bar Casanova]

VW/Porsche has built more flat four engines than anyone. I have full confidence.