Pricing difference between EV+Gas (Harvester) vs. Full-EV model?

[Chuckles]

i highly doubt the model with the extender will be cheaper. they are saying you can go 350 miles on battery alone and another 150 with the extender. to go 350 miles on battery means its a large battery.

You have it backwards. Scout is claiming an EV range of around 150 mi, and the rest would come from the extender. The battery in the Harvester will be smaller.

 

[Chuckles]

Well now I’m second guessing my Harvester reservation. I assumed it’s a generator that only charges the battery and has no direct connection to the drivetrain. The Ram is an ICE vehicle with battery like a PHEV, but they’re calling it a range extender because its battery is larger than most PHEV? I have a Tesla and driving 100 miles takes about 150 miles of battery. With 35” tires I can’t see a 150 mile battery in the Scout Harvester being an amazing thing if you’re waiting for generator to charge so you have enough performance to tow or drive highway speeds. Also, having to charge and buy gas for a trip where their non-Harvester can go on battery alone (300 miles) is the opposite of extending range. Please let most be wrong and it’s the same battery with a small generator that takes away storage in the frunk with a 10 gallon tank.

Well now I’m second guessing my Harvester reservation. I assumed it’s a generator that only charges the battery and has no direct connection to the drivetrain. The Ram is an ICE vehicle with battery like a PHEV, but they’re calling it a range extender because its battery is larger than most PHEV? I have a Tesla and driving 100 miles takes about 150 miles of battery. With 35” tires I can’t see a 150 mile battery in the Scout Harvester being an amazing thing if you’re waiting for generator to charge so you have enough performance to tow or drive highway speeds. Also, having to charge and buy gas for a trip where their non-Harvester can go on battery alone (300 miles) is the opposite of extending range. Please let most be wrong and it’s the same battery with a small generator that takes away storage in the frunk with a 10 gallon tank.

Jamie@Scoutmotors has said the Harvester I will have an EV-only range of about 150 mi and the rest will come from electricity from the gas generator. That means a smaller battery. That's how the Ramcharger works. It has a smaller battery pack and the gas engine only generates electricity. There is no mechanical connection.

 

[foreWard]

Man, I took/read it completely different than most of the posts here. I feel like all Scouts will have the same battery (with ~350 mi of range) the harvester will be a generator that will add an ADDITIONAL 150 miles of range to that, getting to 500 miles. I didn't seem to me that there would be a larger battery on the non-harvester optioned vehicles....But I guess we have 2 years to iron out those details.

 

[OlyScout]

150 mile battery makes no sense at all because that would mean the generator is responsible for 70% of charging the battery to get 500. Defeats the purpose of an EV. What makes more sense is same 350 range battery, less storage, with generator only for those longer trips over 150 miles. Too, battery reinforces the frame and there would be structural and weight imbalances.

Scout should definitely clear this up.

 

[Timmdodge60]

Has anyone seen anything detailing the price difference between the full EV and the harvest option on the Terra? I’m putting down my deposit right now and if the harvest option will bump it up something like $10k plus then I will just stick to full EV. Thanks!

Since it isn't really a deposit (only a refundable reservation that is supposed to keep your place in line to order one) my understanding is that you will be able to change the model and options with the same reservation and place in line.

 

[ROMRCasey]

Well now I’m second guessing my Harvester reservation. I assumed it’s a generator that only charges the battery and has no direct connection to the drivetrain. The Ram is an ICE vehicle with battery like a PHEV, but they’re calling it a range extender because its battery is larger than most PHEV? I have a Tesla and driving 100 miles takes about 150 miles of battery. With 35” tires I can’t see a 150 mile battery in the Scout Harvester being an amazing thing if you’re waiting for generator to charge so you have enough performance to tow or drive highway speeds. Also, having to charge and buy gas for a trip where their non-Harvester can go on battery alone (300 miles) is the opposite of extending range. Please let most be wrong and it’s the same battery with a small generator that takes away storage in the frunk with a 10 gallon tank.

No the Ramcharger is a REEV/series hybrid. All propulsion provided by the EDM units.

 

[Scooby24]

Man, I took/read it completely different than most of the posts here. I feel like all Scouts will have the same battery (with ~350 mi of range) the harvester will be a generator that will add an ADDITIONAL 150 miles of range to that, getting to 500 miles. I didn't seem to me that there would be a larger battery on the non-harvester optioned vehicles....But I guess we have 2 years to iron out those details.

100%, larger battery on the non-harvester model. Using the space from the battery for a gas tank. That's going to be at least 25% of the battery capacity, I'm sure of it. I linked to the reveal where they state this.

 

[foreWard]

100%, larger battery on the non-harvester model. Using the space from the battery for a gas tank. That's going to be at least 25% of the battery capacity, I'm sure of it. I linked to the reveal where they state this.

Thanks, completely missed that part.

 

[Lakesinai]

I think some people are forgetting this is an EV first and foremost. If you want to tow all day and longer distances… you should buy a IC engine. I don’t think that is who Scout is catering to.

Primarily, the gas generator relieves the anxiety for new adopters with fear of being stuck with no juice. Most buyers will likely almost never use the feature in day-to-day driving. But it will be super nice to have when you want/need it.

It also is the first EV to appeal to the true off-roader or overlander who wants to ensure a 5-gallon jerry can get them to the next charge.

Except, there's a caveat. The gas generator takes up space for battery, reducing battery capacity by (50%, 40%, 60%??) Defeating the purpose of having an EV in the first place, and meaning the gas generator will come on frequently (100-150 mi) to do a simple 100 mile drive. And, plugging the car in frequently will be required.

 

[4sallypat]

I think some people are forgetting this is an EV first and foremost. If you want to tow all day and longer distances… you should buy a IC engine. I don’t think that is who Scout is catering to.

Primarily, the gas generator relieves the anxiety for new adopters with fear of being stuck with no juice. Most buyers will likely almost never use the feature in day-to-day driving. But it will be super nice to have when you want/need it.

It also is the first EV to appeal to the true off-roader or overlander who wants to ensure a 5-gallon jerry can get them to the next charge.

Agree about the EV dominating aspect of the Scout but the gas ER generator is important for those that need to tow or go long distance between chargers.

I don't have range anxiety having driven EVs for over 6 years (PHEV & BEV).

Daily driving, it's all EV - much cheaper than using fuel.

Fishing road trips to remote locations, I'd prefer to have a gas generator because some of my destinations do not have L3 charging infrastructure (UT, ID, MT, NM, WA).

 

[Rockside]

Except, there's a caveat. The gas generator takes up space for battery, reducing battery capacity by (50%, 40%, 60%??) Defeating the purpose of having an EV in the first place, and meaning the gas generator will come on frequently (100-150 mi) to do a simple 100 mile drive. And, plugging the car in frequently will be required.

I think it ultimately comes down to the range of the battery. I think I would be less likely to get the RE if my battery was only 150 mi range under perfect circumstances. If it’s 200-250… I’d likely go with RE.

 

[Lakesinai]

I think it ultimately comes down to the range of the battery. I think I would be less likely to get the RE if my battery was only 150 mi range under perfect circumstances. If it’s 200-250… I’d likely go with RE.

Agreed. Will be interesting to find out the details as they bring the vehicle to market. I would think there would be room on the pickup for both full size battery and the extender, making for a better tow vehicle (700 mi range?). It seems that towing reduces battery capacity by 50%, or, towing uses up the battery twice as fast!
The under-bed tire storage may be the problem with that, so the spare would have to go in the bed, reducing capacity!

 

[prattm1964]

Jamie@Scoutmotors has said the Harvester I will have an EV-only range of about 150 mi and the rest will come from electricity from the gas generator. That means a smaller battery. That's how the Ramcharger works. It has a smaller battery pack and the gas engine only generates electricity. There is no mechanical connection.

Yes @Chuckles is right!
This very thing has been stated on the Official Scout Forum.
You might not like it, understand it or agree with it. But that is exactly what Jamie has stated.

 

[Noplacelikeloam]

Yes @Chuckles is right!
This very thing has been stated on the Official Scout Forum.
You might not like it, understand it or agree with it. But that is exactly what Jamie has stated.

I think youre right and I dont like it. I have a 2020 Mini EV with about 100 mile range and in the winter, that is plugged in every single day or its unusable. Remember you arent going to let the battery get below 15% and not going to charge it over 85% every day, so that actually gives you 70% of usuable range or 105 miles vs 150 miles total capacity. Thats 2020 Mini EV territory and a pain in the 4$$. Certainly a deal breaker for me.

I also get most people drive 70 miles average per day but I think thats not so true with this target market of adventurers. The comparisons with i3 are also out of context, different market, same with Ramcharger. A different market. Im fine with BEV so I guess Ill just go that direction if needs be but it would be a missed opportunity.

At that point, its just a complex ICE vehicle because that generator will come on most days.

 

[MC242x]

I'd bet my reservation that the harvester is more expensive than the BEV.