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Full article: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1145723_scout-ev-erev-phev-plug-in-hybrid-tech-deep-dive

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Scout: Trailblazing EV range-extender layout

From an engineering standpoint, the elephant in the room is that, among Volkswagen Group’s core passenger vehicle brands—VW, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, and Bentley, plus Seat, Škoda, and Cupra—Scout is trailblazing. There is no current body-on-frame SUV and there’s never been an EV with a range extender.

“It’s of course an opportunity,” said Huhnke. The CTO underscored that it’s the first body-on-frame vehicle in the group, the first model with the ladder-frame concept, and the first such vehicle with an EREV propulsion system (a plug-in series hybrid system, to be dubbed Harvester). “Everything has been developed as a unit—platform—which has the opportunity as a flexible platform to be scaled, maybe, in the future,” he said.

“Our IP has been generated in-house,” said Huhnke, about the EREV system, referring to it as another core competence for Scout. So the engine, the generator motor, and other components will come from elsewhere in the VW Group, Huhnke verified, while Scout is managing it all in a unified system.

“The operational strategy, it’s completely ours,” he elaborated. “We cannot build an engine ourselves, but the range extender itself is so charming; you’re using a BEV architecture underneath and just carrying a kind of DC charging system with you.”

Huhnke didn’t give any hints about what engine, or type of engine, might be used here from the vast VW Group parts bin. But addressing a potential sore point—ask some former BMW i3 REx owners—he assured that drivers would have the “full performance of the system” whether using the battery or constantly charging from the range extender. Based on cutaways shown by Scout Motors, the range extender will be small, and will mount not under the hood but at the rear of the vehicle, behind the rear axle and under the cargo floor—an approach that will maintain the frunk but hopefully not impinge on off-road angles.

Why does Scout EV peg 350 miles of range?

Why did Scout decide that 350 miles is enough for the BEV, while Rivian, for instance, pushes to 410 or 420 miles and the Chevy Silverado EV and Cadillac Escalade IQ push it out to 460 miles?

Put bluntly, it may be close to the limitations of what fits within the ladder frame. But Scout also didn’t want to be seen in the same company as models like the GMC Hummer EV, Huhnke let on. It’s a matter of keeping weight under control—which is what the EREV version achieves.

Cramming in more batteries, Huhnke explained, would be detrimental. “You can increase the driving range by adding more and more capacity into the battery, and that’s increasing the weight drastically,” he said. “Or it’s maxed out by the existing space of the ladder frame.”

Huhnke said that the EREV version—which Scout CEO Scott Keogh recently said more customers were ordering because of range anxiety—will deliver an electric driving range of around 150 miles, then an additional 350 miles with the range-extender. “So in total, 500 miles, that should be sufficient; it’s a trade off in between the weight equation and the capacity of the battery.”

Rest of the article: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1145723_scout-ev-erev-phev-plug-in-hybrid-tech-deep-dive
 

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I was just effort posting in another thread about range vs weight, and making wild guesses at weight differences between the full BEV drivetrain and the EREV drivetrain. Good find here!
 

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That’s a huge positive not only for other Scout models but if VW wants to use it to replace their MEB platform they could use Scouts.
 

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Full article: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1145723_scout-ev-erev-phev-plug-in-hybrid-tech-deep-dive

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Scout: Trailblazing EV range-extender layout

From an engineering standpoint, the elephant in the room is that, among Volkswagen Group’s core passenger vehicle brands—VW, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, and Bentley, plus Seat, Škoda, and Cupra—Scout is trailblazing. There is no current body-on-frame SUV and there’s never been an EV with a range extender.

“It’s of course an opportunity,” said Huhnke. The CTO underscored that it’s the first body-on-frame vehicle in the group, the first model with the ladder-frame concept, and the first such vehicle with an EREV propulsion system (a plug-in series hybrid system, to be dubbed Harvester). “Everything has been developed as a unit—platform—which has the opportunity as a flexible platform to be scaled, maybe, in the future,” he said.

“Our IP has been generated in-house,” said Huhnke, about the EREV system, referring to it as another core competence for Scout. So the engine, the generator motor, and other components will come from elsewhere in the VW Group, Huhnke verified, while Scout is managing it all in a unified system.

“The operational strategy, it’s completely ours,” he elaborated. “We cannot build an engine ourselves, but the range extender itself is so charming; you’re using a BEV architecture underneath and just carrying a kind of DC charging system with you.”

Huhnke didn’t give any hints about what engine, or type of engine, might be used here from the vast VW Group parts bin. But addressing a potential sore point—ask some former BMW i3 REx owners—he assured that drivers would have the “full performance of the system” whether using the battery or constantly charging from the range extender. Based on cutaways shown by Scout Motors, the range extender will be small, and will mount not under the hood but at the rear of the vehicle, behind the rear axle and under the cargo floor—an approach that will maintain the frunk but hopefully not impinge on off-road angles.

Why does Scout EV peg 350 miles of range?

Why did Scout decide that 350 miles is enough for the BEV, while Rivian, for instance, pushes to 410 or 420 miles and the Chevy Silverado EV and Cadillac Escalade IQ push it out to 460 miles?

Put bluntly, it may be close to the limitations of what fits within the ladder frame. But Scout also didn’t want to be seen in the same company as models like the GMC Hummer EV, Huhnke let on. It’s a matter of keeping weight under control—which is what the EREV version achieves.

Cramming in more batteries, Huhnke explained, would be detrimental. “You can increase the driving range by adding more and more capacity into the battery, and that’s increasing the weight drastically,” he said. “Or it’s maxed out by the existing space of the ladder frame.”

Huhnke said that the EREV version—which Scout CEO Scott Keogh recently said more customers were ordering because of range anxiety—will deliver an electric driving range of around 150 miles, then an additional 350 miles with the range-extender. “So in total, 500 miles, that should be sufficient; it’s a trade off in between the weight equation and the capacity of the battery.”

Rest of the article: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1145723_scout-ev-erev-phev-plug-in-hybrid-tech-deep-dive
Thanks for posting this!
 

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That’s a huge positive not only for other Scout models but if VW wants to use it to replace their MEB platform they could use Scouts.
Replace the current VW MEB platform with a body on frame platform underlying Scout?
 

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Everything is being under-estimated.
HP, torque, charging times, range, all numbers conservative.

Blazer EV SS spec sheet just juiced up the HP to 615. Torque numbers too.
That's the 2nd time they raised it since the SS was announced and no deliveries yet.
I'd expect even more.

Early Audi EVs went 50 miles farther on a charge in all the OOS YouTube tests than claimed by Audi .
 
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One gallon of gas run in the Scouts onboard generator is going to juice the range incredible numbers compared to if the gas engine direct powered the Scout.

There's those that stand there shaking, flat-footed and red faced, veins popping up on the side of their neck, finger poking us on the chest, spit flying from their mouths, angry wrinkled forehead, that don't want to believe it.

But:

Outside of regen, the most economical way to charge your EV batteries and get the most bang for your buck range, is with a gas or diesel generator. Not just a little better, light years better and those numbers will be just as big on the onboard Scout gasoline generator.

It will lose nothing in the translation from stationary to mobile generation.

 
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Everything is being under-estimated.
HP, torque, charging times, range, all numbers conservative.
That is something that german engineers are good at. Under estimating numbers. I would rather that than over estimate like …. TESLA.
 

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Am I the only one that is wondering if there will be an aftermarket fuel cell to boost range even more without refueling?

I don’t think we know the tank capacity yet, but I’m guessing 5 gallons based on the rear mounted Jerry can they showed at CES.
 

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Am I the only one that is wondering if there will be an aftermarket fuel cell to boost range even more without refueling?

I don’t think we know the tank capacity yet, but I’m guessing 5 gallons based on the rear mounted Jerry can they showed at CES.
For 350 miles additional range? My money is on 10-20 gallon tank. 5gal is just a standard gas can size, not least because of weight.
 

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For 350 miles additional range? My money is on 10-20 gallon tank. 5gal is just a standard gas can size, not least because of weight.
I thought it was 350 on battery alone and 150 more with range extender.
 

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The pure BEV will have 350 miles of range and the EREV has been said to cut battery only range in favor of the extender. Makes sense for weight reasons too, batteries are heavy af.
 
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