Would you change /cancel your Scout order?

[cvollers]

From everything I've seen of Scott he seems like a pretty down to earth and straight forward guy for a CEO and that's why he's a good match for Scout and what they are trying to be as a company. Because of that personality of not being like a typical sleazy CEO that only cares about the bottom line I think he's trying to be as upfront and honest as possible with the information he puts out there. If I had to guess I would say when he gives out numbers on performance they are going to be on the low end of the scale just because at this point a lot of it is hypothetical until they start getting some real life testing data. For the BEV version there's a lot of other electric vehicles out there on the road already so it's probably much easier to safely say what it will be capable of. For the EREV it's new territory with nothing currently on the road that's similar except for something like the BMW i3 Rex that couldnt drive over 40mph when running on just the range extender. Sure there have been other "hybrids" out there for years but the gas engine is mechanically connected to the drive train on those. There's the Ramcharger but that's not on the road yet and on paper it can tow as much as it can because it has a regular engine in the engine bay to power the generator. So I think Scott's approach for the numbers he gives is to under promise on performance so that they can hopefully over deliver on the final product. Most CEOs in that same interview would have just said both the BEV and EREV will have the same towing capacity (or possibly even more) and then wouldn't aknowledge when the official numbers come out before launch as being lower than initially stated.

Honestly better that he says the actual towing capacity for the Harvesters has not been established yet rather than lowball the numbers.

 

[Ajangel]

I found the email with Scout when I inquired about changing my reservation, which was answered, and was provided this link:

https://support.scoutmotors.com/en/...system-selection-after-i-place-my-reservation

That was the first thing I did after watching the interview.

 

[OlyScout]

That was the first thing I did after watching the interview.

Now who do we contact on this forum to remove “Harvester” under our avatar…lol.

 

[TBCreative67]

Perfectly stated! Couldn't agree more. My wife and I are renting an EV6 as our "first" electric while our Subaru is in the shop (a deer hit the side of it, caused $10K of damage). It was actually the only rental that came in at USAA's stupid $30/day coverage. It was a little adjustment for my wife learning how EV's work, but I'm actually kind of shocked how quickly she took to it. The most surprising thing was when she came home one day and said "I love Level 3 regen!" I've been using the i-PEDAL mode and barely use the brake.

We are loving our pure electric experiment and filling the car from our solar using a Level 2 portable cord I picked up (I have a 6-20 240V outlet in the garage). My wife actually had to plan a Costco trip that *wasn't* centered around filling up the car.

We took one long trip with it and I visited a DC Electrify America charger in the recent cold (about 20 degrees) and got ~150kWh speed by preconditioning the battery on the way, so that went surprisingly well also.

I think with this rental, we've now satisfied ourselves that any potential fears we had about going pure EV were unjustified. I'm keeping my BEV reservation. It's actually going to be a letdown once the Subaru comes back.

Thanks, Volswagn! Love this story! I've been posting comments on some YouTube auto channels, correcting doubters of taking EVs off-roading, reminding them of how far you actually go on trails (I've never gone over 300 miles and don't know many trails where I can) and how much regen braking comes into play, especially at crawling speeds. Of course there are considerations for how far you have to travel to your destination and back and how long you plan to go (1 day vs. a long weekend), but there are too many inaccurate generalizations about ruling out an EV altogether. I'm hearing it more about the coming Jeep Recon and less about Scout, since there's the Harvester version. The general feeling is to rule out the full EV and go for the Harvester if you're going off-roading, which shouldn't be dismissed so easily without the correct information. I encourage anyone doubting it to go watch videos by Rivian owners who go off-roading/camping and TFL's test videos. With that in mind, along with eliminating emissions from a gas engine, a larger battery pack with 350+ miles of range and more power, that's all I need!

 

[endlessambition]

Just 9.5 minutes into that vid and decided to switch order to EV only. Fifteen (15) gallon tank for engine tells me it’s going to use a lot of the generator. LFP battery…nope for me. I also have a Tesla home charger so I’m more than happy to get the 350-mile range, 0-60 in under 3.5 seconds v. the 150-mile, gas dependent 4.5 second version that tows 5,000 less pounds.
I recall an exchange of messages with Scout about changing my order after I initially placed for the Harvester. The person said you can change it anytime up to the configuration without losing place in line, and that’s what I’ll be doing.

Here is what they told me. It’s still mostly unclear to me what changing your order does. They say it keeps your place in line but also may change your delivery timing. Who knows what that really means.

 

[Mr._Bill]

It's not an order, it's a reservation in line to place an order. It gives them some idea of demand so they can plan for the initial production run. They will start at the top of the list and start taking actual orders. Those at the top of the list should get the first deliveries, but it will depend on what they order. If the majority of the initial orders are for the BEV models, those wanting the Harvester models will have to wait longer, even if they are the first orders placed.

There is a lot that can happen in the next two years. They may not even have the generator ready when production starts, and everyone wanting the Harvester models will have to wait.

 

[bluejaybehemoth]

No change, I’m not planning on towing anything so I don’t care. Right now I’m flipping back and forth between ev and range extender. I’m eager to see what all the options are, especially range and pricing. If it doesn’t work out for me, it doesn’t work out for me. No worries

 

[maynard]

Will Stellantis be around, who knows, but I believe there's enough brand equity/ loyalty for both Dodge/Ram trucks and also Jeep that those brands aren't disappearing anytime soon. If Stellantis sells them off, someone will buy them.
It's honestly a bigger risk long term betting on Scout. There's no guarantee they'll even launch the vehicle, let alone exist 5 or even 10 years down the road.
Yes the situation is a bit different compared to Rivian, Lucid, Fisker and other pure startup EV companies. But there's still the risk of VW pulling the plug if the vehicles don't sell.

I know that you're right - I just have had some friends lose their engineering jobs from "Dodge" and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I had a '95 Dodge Ram and it was a work horse, then a 2007 and the dealships were horrible, and then Dodge closed most that were near me... All that said - I think the Ramcharger is the first EREV that got it right with the design...

 

[astricklin]

I know that you're right - I just have had some friends lose their engineering jobs from "Dodge" and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I had a '95 Dodge Ram and it was a work horse, then a 2007 and the dealships were horrible, and then Dodge closed most that were near me... All that said - I think the Ramcharger is the first EREV that got it right with the design...

The Volt was a great vehicle that Chevy bungled with a lack of marketing and dealers that had no interest in selling them.
It will be interesting to see if Dodge can convince customers to buy and dealers to sell their EVs.
Jeep has been doing well with the phev Wrangler, but I think that probably mostly due to the low lease rates thanks to rebates.

I'm going to assume that the early ramchargers will be $100k if not more than which will limit the market.

 

[maynard]

The Volt was a great vehicle that Chevy bungled with a lack of marketing and dealers that had no interest in selling them.
It will be interesting to see if Dodge can convince customers to buy and dealers to sell their EVs.
Jeep has been doing well with the phev Wrangler, but I think that probably mostly due to the low lease rates thanks to rebates.

I'm going to assume that the early ramchargers will be $100k if not more than which will limit the market.

Agreed... (I think 75K would be a much better target for that truck)

 

[astricklin]

Agreed... (I think 75K would be a much better target for that truck)

$75k still Really limits the market. But they'll probably make less than 20k trucks a year anyway.

 

[volswagn]

I know that you're right - I just have had some friends lose their engineering jobs from "Dodge" and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I had a '95 Dodge Ram and it was a work horse, then a 2007 and the dealships were horrible, and then Dodge closed most that were near me... All that said - I think the Ramcharger is the first EREV that got it right with the design...

For this Jeep driver/owner (for the last 40 years), the issue is Stellantis' hubris. At a time when the entire planet was processing the financial aftershocks of COVID and supply chain constrictions, this company decided it was going to rake its customers over the coals by increasing the price of its vehicles by some 40% over five years, even as it also scrutinized every penny spent on making its products better or more reliable. Tavares was the darling of the automotive world, and all the other CEO's marveled at how many tens of billions upon billions in pure profit the company was extracting from its customers year after year (not to mention stock buybacks) - until the entire house of cards collapsed, of course, and the CEO was forced out.

Even when it was making these billions in profit year over year, it was complaining about having to renegotiate union contracts and threatening layoffs and plant closures. How much profit is enough? I guess as much as you can get. Even with all its issues and dramatic downturn in sales for years, Q1 2025 will likely be the first quarter that Stellantis actually loses money.

In 2024, a year where pretty much everyone believed Stellantis was on the verge of bankruptcy, It actually still showed a $5.75 BILLION profit and managed to buy back another $3 BILLION of its own stock. That's a remarkable slight-of-hand.

I'm not opposed to companies making money, but sometimes the greed is just ridiculous and when it's staring me in the face, I don't have to continue to take part in being a loyal customer. I've bought my last Jeep.

 

[maynard]

For this Jeep driver/owner (for the last 40 years), the issue is Stellantis' hubris. At a time when the entire planet was processing the financial aftershocks of COVID and supply chain constrictions, this company decided it was going to rake its customers over the coals by increasing the price of its vehicles by some 40% over five years, even as it also scrutinized every penny spent on making its products better or more reliable. Tavares was the darling of the automotive world, and all the other CEO's marveled at how many tens of billions upon billions in pure profit the company was extracting from its customers year after year (not to mention stock buybacks) - until the entire house of cards collapsed, of course, and the CEO was forced out.

Even when it was making these billions in profit year over year, it was complaining about having to renegotiate union contracts and threatening layoffs and plant closures. How much profit is enough? I guess as much as you can get. Even with all its issues and dramatic downturn in sales for years, Q1 2025 will likely be the first quarter that Stellantis actually loses money.

In 2024, a year where pretty much everyone believed Stellantis was on the verge of bankruptcy, It actually still showed a $5.75 BILLION profit and managed to buy back another $3 BILLION of its own stock. That's a remarkable slight-of-hand.

I'm not opposed to companies making money, but sometimes the greed is just ridiculous and when it's staring me in the face, I don't have to continue to take part in being a loyal customer. I've bought my last Jeep.

Wow! I didn't know all this! Makes me like the Ramcharger even less (still like the design). I'm really excited about Scout and when we get to the "place your order" point, if they have completed all that is promised (and hopefully more) it will be a no-brainer. Otherwise I will have to face my day of reckoning and look at the Ramcharger again... But I agree with you on Stellantis.

 

[dinger74indy]

I’m waiting for full specs but I may change to the BEV only. I have the Traveler with a range extender reserved for now though.

 

[NukeDukem]

Just cancelled the Harvester option.