Pricing difference between EV+Gas (Harvester) vs. Full-EV model?

[zak]

Has anyone seen anything detailing the price difference between the full EV and the harvest option on the Terra? I’m putting down my deposit right now and if the harvest option will bump it up something like $10k plus then I will just stick to full EV. Thanks!

 

[Rjcass03]

I believe the harvester option will be cheaper than the full ev. Less batteries

 

[zak]

I believe the harvester option will be cheaper than the full ev. Less batteries

Hmmm. I figured the extra engineering and small gas engine would make the price jump up.

 

[MnLakeBum]

Batteries are expensive so I’d also guess the Harvester will come in cheaper with a battery that is half the size or smaller than the BEV models.

 

[JesseS]

What I want to know is the EV range on the Harvester before the generator kicks in? I think I read somewhere it's something about 150-200 miles, then up to 500 with the boost.

 

[Rockside]

I thought they said 350 w battery and extra 150 with generator. A generator isn’t a very efficient use of gasoline but certainly allows for a ton of flexibility. I wouldn’t expect the generator to provide more than 150 miles. I’m guessing the fuel tank will be small - around 5 gallons.

generators also require oil to be checked often. Oil will have to be a factor.

 

[Rockside]

I fully expect the Harvester to be an upgrade… thus costing more.

 

[Scout997]

Batteries are expensive so I’d also guess the Harvester will come in cheaper with a battery that is half the size or smaller than the BEV models.

I’d expect more expensive if only because Scout now needs to tool to build two different variants on their assembly lines.

 

[Noplacelikeloam]

Makes sense for it to be more.

 

[wmsheppa]

No, the Harvester will be cheaper. Look at hybrid/PHEV/EV builds like the Kia Niro - the full EV is always most expensive. Absolute worst case I'd suspect it'll wash.

If it was like the i3 where you get the same size battery? Absolutely pricier. I'd be shocked with a battery probably about 40% of the size of the full EV if it was more expensive- even if it's a $5k discount or so Scout will still make more money on that trim.

 

[Lakesinai]

Has anyone seen anything detailing the price difference between the full EV and the harvest option on the Terra? I’m putting down my deposit right now and if the harvest option will bump it up something like $10k plus then I will just stick to full EV. Thanks!

Not known. You can hopefully change the option when ordering . . . Or reserve one of each.

 

[justinjas]

There have been a few sites reporting 150 miles of battery only range on the harvester version:

https://electrek.co/2024/10/24/scout-ev-available-pre-order-500-mile-range/

I would think that would make it cheaper but honestly they could prob make it the same price and I’d still go for it.

 

[Mousehunter]

Few thoughts.
1) most hybrids have limited range on battery. This is not technically a hybrid, but an EV with a range extender. It will still have a significant battery. Hard to guess what the price difference might end up being.
2) I have read that the generator will cut in after 150 miles (abet on another thread, there is a disable mode mentioned). That does not mean it only has 150 mile of EV range, it might mean that the generator will NOT provide 100% of the power needed to drive the vehicle and starting it at 150 miles of EV use will result in the maximum range (there will be at least some charge left in the batteries when the generator kicks in).
3) It is possible that the 150 mile EV range is intended to prevent battery over discharge - leaving enough battery to help with acceleration - but gas might be able to provide 100% of the power needed to maintain speed (and regenerative braking might be able to keep the battery at a fairly constant level).

There are a LOT of question on how the Harvester will actually function and what it will actually cost. Likewise, range numbers I am sure at this point are guesstimates - the batteries that will eventually be used are probably not set in stone yet. The EV industry has a less than stellar record of hitting initial range estimates - hopefully not too much unknown future tech was built into the range estimates, likewise hopefully not too much future reduction in battery costs was built into the estimated starting price.

One other person (think on this forum) told his experience being an early Bronco adopter. Better to undersell and over deliver than oversell and under deliver.

 

[tuminatr]

It could go either way. An example from the market is Ram, which has chosen to make its Ramcharger truck with a 150-mile battery range and around 700 total miles using the generator. But they also make a BEV Truck with a 350+ mile range.

So who knows we will need to wait

link to info on the Ram Ramcharger Hybrid truck

93KWH battery 3.6l V6 for charging the battery 690-mile range

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/ram-1500-ramcharger.html


Ram Revolution BEV truck

168KWH battery 350-mile range

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/range-and-batteries.html

From what I gather price is very close

The technical term is Series hybrid for a vehicle where the gas motor is not hooked up to the drivetrain it just chargers the battery. The other like a Prius is a parallel hybrid where both electric and gas are hooked up the the drivetrain.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a46275944/series-hybrid-vs-parallel-hybrid-explained/

 

[justinjas]

I really hope it’s not the full battery or only slightly smaller at 300 miles range and clicks in at half after 150 miles have depleted.

I haven’t heard anyone mention this point but I was kinda glad to hear that the battery is smaller in the harvester version and I hope by a good margin. The reason being the advantage of having a gas engine and tank is you can get 500 miles of range, which would be great for trips. But if the battery gets you 300 miles and you can only add 200 miles worth of gas, then you are going to be stopping much more frequently on long trips or you’ll be stopping for both gas and electric charging.

If you are towing and you get half the range then you’d be stopping for gas every 100 miles which is downright impractical in some parts of the country. Like you mention I’ve heard the argument that the engine will just supply enough power to slowly drain battery but again what happens on a long trip when the battery is mostly depleted and you can only quickly top up gas, does the power to the electric engine get cut back to compensate? What about while towing, could be a serious issue if you need that power to go up a steep grade but the small engine can’t keep enough power going to the batteries.

All this to say if it has a similar battery / gas makeup to the upcoming Ramcharger which is 141 miles of battery and a 27 gallon tank that would be a much more useful setup for long trips and still give you more than enough for around town driving on just EV power.